Beth Johnson
Associate Professor
Department of Geology, University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh, Fox Cities Campus

Interviewed by:  Luc Charbonneau, American Geosciences Institute
Interview date:  July 28, 2022
Location:  Microsoft Teams

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Johnson:

My name is Beth Johnson. I am a professor of geology at the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh, Fox Cities Campus. It is an exceptionally long name for a school. We are the branch campus of the University of Wisconsin, Oshkosh.

Charbonneau:

What courses are you currently teaching, or will you be offering in the fall?

Johnson:

My campus focuses on associates degrees, so we do 100 and 200 level classes. The geology courses that I offer in the fall are Geology 102: Earth a Dynamic Planet, Geology/Geography 113: Landscapes of North America, which is a national parks class, Geology/Geography 174, which is a disasters class.

In the spring I offer Geology 109: Evolution of the Earth, Geology 150: Environmental Geology, and then my lone 200 level class is Geology 200: Earth's Changing Climate. If you are wondering why I was hesitating on those, the numbers and names have changed. I still must stop and think about them.

Charbonneau:

What will your teaching apparatus be when you return in the fall?

Johnson:

According to my understanding, we are going to be doing things the way that we had done in the 2021-2022 academic year, which was back to normal except for masking. Those courses which were online courses prior to the pandemic would be online. Those courses that would be face to face prior to the pandemic, we are going to be face to face in that year.

If someone had a very compelling reason they needed to do otherwise, they could talk to the provost, but we were back to our normal model of teaching. Unless we have significant changes here in Northeast Wisconsin, I assume that I will be back to face to face.

Charbonneau:

Laboratory sections and fieldwork components of your programs would be back to normal as well?

Johnson:

I assume everything will be the same in this upcoming academic year too. I have not heard anything to the contrary yet.

Charbonneau:

Do you have a vaccine requirement as well for students and staff?

Johnson:

As far as masking, we have not been told if we are going to have to go back to masking this fall. We did keep masks until March 20th of 2022, so we had them for most of last academic year. After that, it was personal choice for the instructors, staff, and students. I can honestly say that most of us did shed them as soon as we could because it is just so hard to teach and project and speak clearly in a mask to the point where myself and several of my colleagues, we have developed jaw problems that we are still dealing with because when you are focusing on really emphasizing and getting that diction and being able to project to the back of the room through a mask, what you do is your jaw unconsciously migrates forward. If you do that, then your teeth do not come together like they normally do. They start striking each other. So, I am still dealing with that.

To my knowledge we are not masking though if the pandemic numbers significantly ramp up, that is something that the emergency committee will be revisiting, and we have been told that, as far as vaccinations are concerned, the state of Wisconsin does not allow us to mandate vaccinations. It is strongly encouraged, but there are no requirements for it yet.

Having said that, a lot of the faculty and staff that I do work with, we were so excited to get vaccinated. It was funny because we were joking that when we were kids, we would do anything to avoid getting a shot. Now as adults, we were begging for them. In fact, if I pivoted with my camera and showed you my refrigerator, you would still be able to see the “I got my COVID vaccine” stickers that they gave us. I have them on my fridge.

Charbonneau:

Did you completely shut down your doors and go to virtual learning for the remainder of 2020?

Johnson:

Yes. So, one thing to keep in mind about the University of Wisconsin system is there are 26 campuses. You have UW Milwaukee. The big one that everybody knows of for football is UW Madison. Then my campus is UW Oshkosh, Fox Cities. The date that the World Health Organization declared the pandemic was March 11th, 2020. I know that specifically because like I said, I was teaching a disasters class at that time.

I had to start the class with that actual disaster. They had released the information about 30 minutes before I had to start teaching. Now, in the days leading up to March 11, Milwaukee was the first school that was reporting cases for COVID. By March 10th, they announced that they were closing. They were going to have to go online. We all thought it was going to be temporary at that point.

I do remember the next morning, March 11th, I was standing outside my office, and I was talking to a couple of other faculty members. We were talking about Milwaukee shutting down and going online. We had heard by that point that Madison and La Crosse were considering similar measures. And since Madison is the flagship campus of the system, we knew that if Madison pulled that trigger, that we were all going down.

Sure enough, Madison and La Crosse made that decision, as well as Stout by the next morning. One of my students pulled out their phone and said: “Hey, there is a message from the university,” and I pulled out my phone and sure enough, that is when we got the news that classes were going to be cancelled the following week because that week of Saint Patrick's Day, that was our last week before going on spring break. The week that followed was spring break.

We went back to teaching online on March 30th. We thought it was just going to be for a couple of weeks. I know a lot of us were making contingency plans about, well maybe I can get through all my lectures online and then when we come back to face to face, I will just take the lecture time and we will just do a bunch of the lab activities. So, we were calling that the “Concept Boot Camp.” But then, after a couple of weeks, the vice chancellor told us that no, we are going to be online for the rest of the semester.

Charbonneau:

How long were you continuing that online program before you had students return in person in any capacity? When did they start coming back into the classroom setting?

Johnson:

We did online for the rest of the spring 2020 semester. Any summer courses were being done online and then we did not have any students returning to a hybridized format until the fall of 2020. I would like to point out none of us were allowed on the campus from the moment that...Let me back that up. The week after we had decided to close, they cancelled classes because everyone needed time to prepare. You know everybody, all the students were just worried and not sure what was going on. We took that week of Saint Patrick's Day and our planned spring break and those were the two weeks to prepare for the faculty. We went online starting on the 30th of March.

Once fall 2020 came, that was what at my campus we called the “Hybrid Year.” My campus was particularly good at letting us choose the instruction format that would work best for our own class discipline and personal needs. I know a lot of my colleagues who teach at other universities, they were just told you are teaching online, face to face, or not given choice. But my campus specifically gave us a choice, which is remarkably interesting because I do not know that they had as many choices as the main campus. But we used to be an independent two-year campus before the merger in fall of 2019. We are accustomed to a certain amount of independence. Our administrators just came back to us and said you pick the mode that is best for you. You do not have to justify it. You do not have to bring a doctor's note. Just pick your mode.

We had four options. We could teach all face to face, and for some disciplines you really cannot get around that. We could teach all online. Or we could do one of two hybrid models. The two hybrid models in my campus's terminology were hi-flex and modified tutorial. With hi-flex we defined that as the professor was in the classroom every day they were being filmed and the students could choose if they wanted to come to the classroom or if they wanted to participate online at home. Modified tutorial is the opposite end of that. The professor chose when they would be teaching online and when they would teach face to face.

For all my lab classes for that year, I chose modify tutorial and I did asynchronous online lecture videos. I had one weekly meeting a week so I could go over the main ideas and students could ask questions. Then we could do the labs face to face. The provost ordered that we could not have complete lab sections. What we had to do was take our lab classes, split them into two groups, and then alternate when each group would come to the lab.

People were terribly upset about that because they were thinking, “I must cut down the number of lab topics that I am going to teach.” For some programs, for example, nursing programs where there are specific things that you must cover, that was a very big concern.

I do not want to say I cheated, but I cheated because the way that my lab classes are set-up is I have two lectures a week, a Tuesday lecture, and a Thursday lecture, and then a lab period on Tuesday afternoon or Thursday afternoon, depending which class it is. What I did was I had all those asynchronous lecture videos the students could watch whenever they wanted to. I took one of the lecture periods and I used that for weekly meetings. Then the other lecture period that became my second lab period. So, Group A would come to the afternoon lab for one week and they did minerals. Group B would come to one of those morning labs periods, that extra lecture period, and they would do igneous rocks. Then the next week, I would teach those same two labs, but I would switch which group came. That way I got to do all my lab topics and still follow the provost's order that we did not have too many people in the room so we could maintain some sort of social distancing.

Charbonneau:

What platforms were you using for your online courses?

Johnson:

Interestingly, the semester before the pandemic started, my campus had switched to Canvas for our LMS. That was extraordinarily difficult because we were still learning how to use Canvas and then we had to learn how to use Canvas teaching online. I am not joking when I say that it seems like a lot of people at my campus hit the wall at about the Friday of the first week back. I have talked to several people, and we all say the same thing. That is when we hit the wall. I was picking out where exactly I was going to throw my computer through the wall that day. I am not exaggerating one bit.

We were using Canvas for our LMS and so as much course content as I could I was putting through there because the students already had access to that. Now this was incredibly important that I put as much content through Canvas because I have many international students, particularly from China. A lot of those students chose to go home at the start of the pandemic because if you will recall, so many flights were cancelled. We were wondering, are we still going to allow flights to some of these countries that had extremely high numbers for COVID? These students were terrified of being trapped in a foreign country for God knows how long. I do not blame them one bit. I needed to minimize the number of platforms that I used so that it was something that could make it through their government's censors. If you will recall, the government of China, they do censor certain websites. I needed to make sure that these international students could still access the course material.

Now for web communication like this, at the time my campus was using Collaborate Ultra. That was something that we had linked up to Canvas. I did all my web meetings there. We do not use Collaborate Ultra anymore. We had a contract with them through the end of spring of 2021. Then we contracted with Zoom, so starting in fall of 2021, we contracted with Zoom, and we have been using that since.

Collaborate Ultra has its quirks. But one thing I really loved about Collaborate Ultra was the reactions, because this was a platform that was not set up for business meetings, it was set up for class meetings. What I could do is I could have the list of attendance or participants, excuse me, open on the right side and then if you have done teaching, you know during this time, then you know that a lot of students would keep their web cameras off because they did not have the bandwidth. They were still in their PJ's, who knows. If I asked questions like: “Does anybody have any questions?” All I see is this sea of black squares. Nobody, just like in the classroom, nobody wanted to be the one to raise their hand.

I started using those reactions at the bottom of the screen, and these were much better than the ones that Zoom has I would like to point out. There was a green for agree, red for disagree, and then there was a smiley face and an angry face. Also, there was a confused face. What I would do is I would say: “Does anybody have any questions?” If I just got that lack of feedback, that could be because somebody does not want to be the first one to raise their hand. Or it could be because they do not have any questions.

I would say, ok, if you do not have any questions, then go ahead and click that green agree button at the bottom of your screen. If you do have questions and you do not want to move on, then click the red button and then I will just look at the participant list. That way there was some interaction, but the students did not necessarily have to unmute their mics if they did not want to, or if they are just like, no, I get it, we can move on.

I still say I you know because there are reactions on Zoom, they are not as good. What is annoying is some of them you must click to turn on and then click to turn off again, whereas with Collaborate Ultra, you just clicked it and then after about 10 seconds it would go off.

As far as other material I was using at least our platform material, at that time many of the textbook companies offered that we could use all their course materials for free. The stuff we would normally have to pay to get a course package for, suddenly they are all free. We had quizzes, exams, and lecture notes I could have used. There were ways to submit assignments. I worked with Pearson and McGraw Hill. Those were the two companies I think at the time.

We were able to integrate links to those into Canvas. I just started using their quizzes, their exams. I did have my own lecture notes that I would film these asynchronous videos for students. It was a blessing to have those.

Two years before the pandemic I had been forced to teach a section of an online class. It is the same class that I teach face to face. One of my colleagues in my old department, before the merger, had created an online course of this in spring 2018. My campus said you will teach an online section of that, because they were just trying to force somebody else to pay that part of my salary for that semester. I had to go through some online training then, but it was not much. When I did get that online section in 2018, I was a TA at that point. It was not that I was creating any new content, I was just basically monitoring it.

Fast forward two years to the start of the pandemic, I was teaching that same class. I would like to point out, except at that time in 2018 and this semester in spring of 2020, I do not teach disasters in the spring. It was just a coincidence those two times because there were a couple of hiccups with the curriculum, they needed to take out a class that I would normally teach, my climate change class. They had to just put a section of disasters in there as a place filler. It was just pure luck that the one course that I had some online experience teaching was one that I was teaching. I started using all those materials because I saved them. Those are materials that I could import into Canvas though, so everything was still going through Canvas. That was the one class that I did not have to worry as much about.

Charbonneau:

What level of virtual integration are you still using in your classroom?

Johnson:

Before the pandemic, I was not a big person for online submission because I am always thinking about the country kids that do not have good access to the internet because I was one of those country kids. Also, the people who cannot afford to have the internet at home, or their only access to a computer is on campus. Before the pandemic I was very much about paper submission.

But at the start of the pandemic, I remembered something that one of my former department chairs was famous for. He was famous for his paperless office. He did everything online. Part of that was so then he would not have these random piles of paper lying around, but part of it was because then everything is being submitted the same way.

That is what I started doing. Once we got into the fall 2020 semester, what I wanted more than anything was just a streamlined, you turn in all your assignments to the same place. I created online submission for everything. Term papers, lab activities, quizzes, anything they will do in my class they are going to be submitting through Canvas. I still use that because I went through a lot of work to put those things together. I am going to use them for as long as I can.

You would not think that you could turn in lab activities online. It is beautiful. It really is, because what I did was, I turned to the submission for all those lab activities into quizzes. If they had to calculate something, I chose the type of quiz question where you could type in a number. Then I knew if they got the number right, then they did the calculation right. Some questions could easily be put in a multiple-choice format, or a matching format. Those are easy. Those where you would have to draw on a map or create a data chart, you can still do that in a quiz. People do not realize that because in Canvas there is a type of quiz question where you can do a file upload.

What I would do is I would say: “Draw it in on the map in your lab manual. Take a picture of that image and then upload that to that question in the quiz in Canvas.” So, then everything is all right there in the quiz. Most of the questions are set to auto grade, which means my grading life is so much simpler. Then those questions like a file upload or an essay or something like that, then I can go through and grade those manually.

That was one of the pieces of advice that I had heard in a training session because in those two weeks before March 30th when we are all learning how to teach online, there were so many workshops through professional organizations, so many through my university, they were doing a few. There was a teaching online conference I could get into. There were times when I was doing three or four of those workshops a day because I had a lot to learn to catch up with teaching online.

One of the most important pieces of information that I learned was auto grade everything. It takes so long to create these online submissions, and that is what people outside of education just do not get. They are looking at their kids at home and trying to learn online. They say: “Oh, the teachers are sitting there doing nothing. They are just filing their nails, or we do not need to pay them that much because they are not doing anything.” Bullshit. It is a bunch of total bullshit, because it takes three to four times longer for me to create these things online to give the students the ability to submit from anywhere, as it would if I were to be able to write this assignment and have them turned it into me by paper.

I worked extremely hard and exceptionally long to be able to create those online submissions. I am going to use as many of them as I can. Now that I have had this year 2021-2022 academic year, going back to “normal”, we are still masked, I will not call that completely normal, there are some things where I am just like, ok, I really do not need to do those discussion posts now because my students are in the lab together talking to each other. They are in the class talking to each other. Some of the activities I created as an opportunity for them to interact with other people in the class, there are some of those I can let go of now.

But there are a few of them that I created that took the place of a field trip because I was not allowed to do field trips again until fall of 2021. I really like that virtual field trip exercise and now I am looking forward to using that as kind of a pre-field trip so they can start learning about the kind of things and observations they need to be making when they are in the field. Then we can go on our face-to-face field trip later in the semester.

Charbonneau:

What have you noticed have been the changes in terms of recruitment and retention of your students?

Johnson:

We really took an enrollment hit. It was not in fall of 2020 when we took that enrollment it. You would think that would be the one where people would be holding off thinking: “Well online learning in spring of 20 was so hard. I am going to wait till the pandemic's over.”

No, in the 2020-2021 academic year, our enrollments were close to what they were pre-pandemic. We have been having some declining enrollments for a few years in part because of declining birth rates in the state. Also, in part because of the merger that I talked about before. But you know, they were not as bad.

We saw a big enrollment drop starting in fall of 2021. We thought we were going to see more people come back because it is more face-to-face. There is less ambiguity. If they have had these bad experiences with online learning, well now we have all these face-to-face options. No, the enrollments were lower.

Charbonneau:

What strategies are you trying to increase enrollment?

Johnson:

This is a tricky area because, as I alluded to, my campus and another original let me back up. My campus used to be an independent two-year campus in the system. We were the University of Wisconsin-Fox Valley. Then because of a restructuring and merger that finished in 2019, my two-year campus and another two-year campus at Fond du Lac, we merged with the University of Wisconsin Oshkosh, which was a four-year comprehensive university in the area. That is what happened to all thirteen of the two-year campuses in the state. In that merger, we were all merged with one four-year campus or another.

Our biggest complaints since then are a bit of student poaching on the part of the main campus at Oshkosh. Just prior to the merger, they were experiencing some enrollment hits, so they lowered their admission standards to attract more students. Then that is when we saw students from my campus and Fond du Lac start going to Oshkosh a lot sooner because normally, they would have started at one of our campuses, got some college experience under their belts, helped to improve their GPA, and then they would have transferred. But now, they did not have to wait. We have been fighting with the Oshkosh campus for three years now to market us differently because the way that Oshkosh's mindset is, is that, well if we market for UW Oshkosh, that will help all three campuses and the people at Fox and Fond du Lac are like no, because you are not even saying that they have any options. You are just saying University of Wisconsin Oshkosh and you are not saying Fox Cities or Fond du Lac.

We have been fighting, and I do mean fighting, with the administration to start specifically marketing our campus, or the Fond du Lac campus. To let people know that they do have this high-quality, low-cost education right in their backyards. There is a little of that. I have seen a couple of billboards around the Fox Cities area where I am teaching, but not the way that I see Oshkosh stuff. We are still fighting that. I know that on social media that I have recently seen some early preview opportunities for my campus. So those sorts of things are being shared through our campus social media. I have not seen anything so specific as a commercial saying, come to UWO Fox Cities so I hesitate to say that we have been able to do anything different from our marketing strategies because right now we are still fighting just to get individual marketing and that has been going on since before the pandemic.

Charbonneau:

What happened to your faculty in terms of the number of faculty prior during and post pandemic?

Johnson:

Oh God, we got gutted. We got gutted and part of this stemming back to that merger. There were a lot of things leading up to the pandemic that were just picking things off. When I started at my campus in fall of 2011, we were an independent campus in the UW system. We were UW-Fox Valley. We were one of 13 to your state campuses collectively known as the UW Colleges. We had shared governance, a shared curriculum, shared departments. My department was spread out over 13 campuses around the state.

It was either the end of 2015 or the beginning of 2016 they announced what is called “regionalization” and what we did is we regionalized these 13 two-year campuses. We had the Northeast region which was the one that I was part of. Then three or four of these two-year campuses would share a dean, share an associate Dean, share IT resources. We were barely given an opportunity to make that work.

Then there was an article released by the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. There had been some backroom dealing with the legislature and the legislature was going to be cutting $250 million from the University of Wisconsin system, and that was the start of the merger. I bring this into context because we had many people that when the pandemic came on top of that, they just hit their limit.

Additionally, because of this $250 million budget cut, different schools had to take different tactics to try to reduce their expenditures. On my campus, we took all our licks early, we just made the cuts that we did, and we were not doing too badly. Then the final death knell came. But Oshkosh was still dealing with their financial issues. In the spring of 2020, while all this pandemic stuff is going on, Oshkosh announced that they would have a buyout opportunity for people to take early retirement.

In that one effort, we lost eight tenured faculty at my campus. Now I would like to point out that we only had about 30 or 35 tenured faculty to begin with. To lose 8 in one shot was big. Then remember, we were just barely merged with Oshkosh. We are still feeling out of the departments. Some departments said yes, we want to replace that with another tenure line. Some departments were just like: “Nope, we do not want to offer those courses at Fox anymore.” Some departments were in a: “Let us wait and see” mode and let us put some adjuncts in there. We are still trying to recover from some of that.

Then also, we have seen many staff either completely leaving the system or they are transitioning to the Oshkosh campus because there are better jobs and more money working at that campus than working at a small two-year campus. It has been hard to keep some of those people, and it is frustrating because the people at the Oshkosh campus do not understand how understaffed and underpaid, we were before. It has only gotten worse.

Charbonneau:

Was your departmental budget significantly impacted by the pandemic?

Johnson:

Interestingly, no, because my academic budget for my program was separate from the budget at the Oshkosh campus. I am the one and only geology professor at my campus, my budget is exceedingly small. I do not want to comment about the impact of the geology department on the main campus just because I do not know enough about it, and I want to be fair.

Charbonneau:

What were the skill gaps you noticed in the students because of the pandemic?

Johnson:

One of the biggest things I have been beating my head against is not geoscience skill per se. It is a writing skill. My students will not cite their sources to save their lives. That is an important thing for me, as I take academic integrity very seriously. We have an entire assignment in my geology classes dedicated to siting with MLA versus APA. They have a print copy versus an electronic copy. Paraphrasing versus a direct quote. We have this huge assignment. I have been doing it for years, even before the pandemic. Now I cannot get my students to cite their sources. If it is something they are putting in their own words. It is to the point where I could have turned in about 75% of my students last year for academic misconduct.

They were plagiarizing because they were not citing their sources and I am on the academic actions committee so that would have been a lot of work for us, but that is how bad it was. I am just looking at them going come on people. You did the assignment. You were working with the director of the writing center on the assignment. It is in the assignment that you must cite your sources even when you put them in your own words. I emphasize this on more than one occasion in the class, in writing, on Canvas. Why are you not doing this?

I do a lot of writing in my classes because it does not matter what discipline you are in; you still need to be able to communicate your ideas and why your research, why your idea, why your invention is new and revolutionary. Make sure that you get the credit and explain what it is all about.

Charbonneau:

What geoscience professional skills do you try to emphasize in your courses?

Johnson:

Well remember that I teach mostly introductory classes, so most of my students are not going to be science majors. Communication, obviously, is going to be a huge one that I emphasize. Observation.
I am always begging my students, do not just rely on what somebody is telling you that it is, see yourself. Even if you are not a trained scientist, there are still things about it that you can notice. Like wow this mineral feels heavy for its size, and it is not excessively big. So, observation. Also, calculation. I get a lot of students coming to my classes that are just like, oh, I cannot do above 3rd grade math, and I just look at them and say good because we are not going to be doing fancy math in this class. It is an intro class. Making sure they have the confidence to do a back-of-the-envelope calculation using these non-calculus math skills. I would say those are the biggest things. Also being critical of their sources.

One of my classes is a climate change seminar. Obviously, that is a very controversial topic in some circles. I am working with them not only to try to get information from these very dense scientific articles but be able to communicate it in such a way that they are not hiding behind the jargon, but anybody walking down the street can understand what they are talking about because that is one of the biggest problems that we are dealing with, with this anti climate science faction that we have in our society. They do not understand what is going on because people are not explaining it to them in straight talk. That would be another skill that I focus on.

Charbonneau:

Did your school implement any changes or put any different rules in place to help push students along? What were some of the accommodations made to help the students during the pandemic?

Johnson:

One thing that we did was we instituted a pass-fail option. If students were worried that they were not going to get above a C on a particular course, they could request that their grade just be recorded as pass or fail. We also extended the withdrawal deadline to the very last day of classes. That way, if students were willing to try it and just gut it out, and they just got to the very end, and they still could not succeed, then they could withdraw, and it would not negatively impact their GPA.

Charbonneau:

Were these changes only temporary?

Johnson:

Yes, just for the spring 2020 semester, I believe.

Charbonneau:

In your current position, are you doing any of your own research?

Johnson:

Sort of. This is some of the fun that I get to have been one of those people from the former UW Colleges because when it comes to requirements for professional activity and service, I am still judged based on the rules under which I was hired for the UW Colleges. My colleagues in my department at Oshkosh do a lot more research than I do.

Having said that, at my campus there has always been the encouragement to do research. Since we are a campus that focuses on being a teaching emphasis institution, most of us do research that is related to the quality of teaching. That was always the case before, and there is still a lot of that now.

I have two research projects going on, and my department does not necessarily look fondly on them because they are really investigating more of the people who do science rather than discovering some new mineral or describing some new dinosaurs or anything like that. One of them, I just started at the beginning of the summer. I am looking at people who work at two-year colleges, teaching geoscience. I am looking at their intrinsic and extrinsic motivations to see if they do tend to correspond with a particular gender, or another.

But then I was also chosen for a program unique to Wisconsin, called the Wisconsin Teaching Fellows and Scholars program. It is a cohort that works together over a year to do scholarship of teaching and learning research. This year's emphasis happens to be on social justice. It has been interesting trying to learn how to incorporate things like social justice into a science classroom where we like to pride ourselves as remaining outside of that fray.

I got chosen for it in December of 2021 then we had our first workshop this year on May 31st. We have had two weeklong workshops so far this summer and we have another meeting coming up on August 1st. I was just talking with some of my cohort people yesterday because we all must turn in IRBs. We were chatting with each other, getting ideas for: “Well where can I go to find this supply?” or “I do not know how to answer this question on the IRB application.” So those are the two projects that I have gotten going on.

I will say that my department is incredibly happy that I am doing the second one. They scratch their heads at me with the first one. I had had the idea for the first one for a long time, but I could not do anything about it.

The first one on the geoscience instructor at 2-year schools, I had had the idea to work on that in fall of 2020. The reason that I can be so specific about that is because I applied for faculty development funding from the university and the deadline for that is always December 1st. The first time I applied for it in 2020, I did not get it.

I decided in fall of 2021 that I was going to give it one more try because I had really done a rush job the first time. I am going to do it right this time and if I do not get it, then it was not because I did a bad job. It just was something else. The second time I applied, it got so that was that.

I had the idea even prior to that, but I did not know how to implement it. I participated in things like NSF workshops. I was supposed to do a face-to-face workshop on that in summer of 2020, but then because of the pandemic that workshop got put online and so I did that online.

I did not have any stuff that I was working on where I would have needed access to lab equipment or samples or anything like that. That is one of the virtues of the kind of research I do, the kind that is prized at a campus like mine. We can do this kind of research without having to have a sabbatical. We can do this kind of research for extraordinarily little money or in my case no money.

Some of my colleagues had cancelled field work or could not get into campus to access their labs. They were more significantly impacted than I was.

I did have one of those panic days, though. At first when they had told us we were all going to go online, the faculty and staff were told we would still have access to the campus. The first week, the week of Saint Patrick's Day and the reason that I know that is so specifically my birthday, is the day after Saint Patrick's Day, so it was my birthday week. I was still trying to go into my office because I was trying to maintain at least a little sense of normalcy. I also worked better in my office at that time. I was not accustomed to having the internet at home. In fact, I did not get the internet in my house until Thursday, March 12th.

Because you remember that conversation, I told you where me and my colleagues were saying: “Oh, God. If Madison pulls that trigger, we are all going down.” One of the conversations I was having was I had never had the internet in my house up to that point. I had been an extremely poor graduate student for a long time. I grew up in the country prior to that where you could not get the Internet at the time. I was talking to my colleague and saying: “Oh, I wonder if I should get the internet put in my house, but I do not know if we are going to need it. We may still stay in class.” She looked at me and she said: “You need to make that phone call to get the internet appointment now, because once Madison makes that announcement, everybody is going to be scrambling to get it.” Fortunately, I listened to her. But at the time, I was still accustomed to working in my office. I was trying to go in there, and that lasted a day and a half. Then, the chancellor announced that by the end of that week, nobody was going to be allowed on the campuses except emergency personnel.

We had also been told by campus people that the university was buying a Clorox 360 disinfecting machine and they were going to go room by room and spray things to make sure that everything was disinfected. I started thinking about that and I realized, oh my God, I have a number of very delicate maps that are still lying out in the lab. I have a lot of samples that are on these open shelves in the lab that are things like halite, which would dissolve. In the case of halite, you are licking it to test it. I do not need them to lick disinfectant. I made this panic trip to the campus, and I only had a couple of hours that I could do this. I was desperately trying to put everything away, or at least undercover, that I thought would be affected by these sprays.

We were getting highly creative about some of the things that I was putting on those shelves to try to cover the ones that I was afraid we are going to dissolve and trying to get everything from my office that I thought I was going to need to be able to teach online for the rest of the semester. packing everything up into the back of my car. Even things like these stuffed fossil animals because those are great to teach with and cheaper than educational models.

That was one thing my campus gave me early on. Thank God they had bought the science faculty some portable document cameras. They have a USB port you plug in on your computer. Thank God. I could not have taught online the way that I did without that. I used it extensively.

Hysterically, another thing that all of us were desperate to get were our office chairs. I did not think to take it on that day when I was so frantic. It did not come about ’til a couple of weeks later because we all thought this was just going to last a couple of weeks. We all were making do with straight backed chairs and kitchen tables. After a while you are sitting six, seven, eight hours a day like that, you start getting the most horrible back pain.

Only five people on campus were allowed access, and one was the administrative assistant. She was the one that we were supposed to go to if we had forgotten anything. We would have to contact her and navigate her to where it was in your office or in the classroom. Then she would get it, put it on a lab cart, and park the lab cart just outside the front door. Then she would stand on the inside of the front door waiting. So that way she could see you get it. She knew that, for example, if there was anything valuable, she knew that it was not being stolen. I had to contact her about some other things that I needed. I mentioned lower back pain and what I would not give to have my office chair. She responded with: “Well, why don't you take yours? Everybody else has been asking me to get theirs for them.”

When I showed up that day to get those things from the lab cart, she had my office chair parked right next to it, and I was so happy I did not care if I had to have the wheels sticking out of the windows. It was going in my car. Then she packed a bag of candy. That is the thing that Jenean is famous for at our campus, is she always has these jars of candy in her office because sometimes the faculty and staff get a little hangry. She will just push and jar of candy towards us. When she was preparing those lab carts of our stuff for us, she would tuck in a bag of candy, and you would not know about it until you got home. It was this wonderful surprise. We nominated her for an award later in the fall of 2020. More than one person nominated Jenean for this and every single one of us mentioned the candy. I am still sitting in that office chair.

Charbonneau:

What new opportunities became available to you during the pandemic that you did not have before?

Johnson:

I learned so much about teaching online during the pandemic. Some of the things I had learned in that online training I had received, prior to teaching the online class in 2018. There were so many opportunities through professional organizations like Geological Society of America, National Association of Geoscience Teachers. AGI (American Geosciences Institute) did one or two of them, through various textbook companies to not only teach us how to teach online, but here is this website where you can go to do virtual field trips. This is how you can use virtual microscope and teach students how to identify X, Y, and Z.

That was just a wealth of information, a lot of which I am still using. Even though I was in when the pandemic happened, I was an associate professor. I recently got promoted. I had a masters in Earth science education before this, so I had some training and education. But it is good to have a bit of a refresher. I just wish it would have been a better way to get that refresher. Can you repeat the question just so I can think about it?

Charbonneau:

Yes, what opportunities became available to you during the pandemic?

Johnson:

I learned a new way of teaching a new way of submission. Meeting some of my students more about where they are living in terms of technology and how they are accustomed to experiencing some of the information, so that is always a good thing to learn.

One of those resources benefited me just yesterday. One of the things that I learned about were these massive open online courses that you could take through the University of Alberta in Canada for free. These are free online courses. I learned about them at that time, and I thought, wow, these courses, they sound cool. They are free. They are online. Some of them were about paleontology. So that is exactly right up my alley. But I was so busy at the time, I could not do anything about it.

This summer, I had many hard things going on in my life, and I decided to take the summer and play a game with myself. It is the Mini–Adventure Bingo game. I created this little bingo card of all these things that I had been telling myself, “Oh, I will do that someday.” I just never got around to it because I was so busy. Well, this summer I decided I was going to do some of them. One of them was to learn something new. I thought about those online courses, and I am like, I am going to take one. I am going to go back to school. I am going to take one of these courses and I just finished it yesterday.

That was a good thing, because now that I have learned as much as I have about online courses, I got to experience an online course from the student perspective. Although it was a particularly good course, there were a couple of things that I am looking forward to doing. I would have done that differently.

Charbonneau:

If you could go back in time and give yourself like a piece of advice to pre-pandemic Beth, what would you tell her, if you had to do it all over again?

Johnson:

It is going to take longer than you think. There is no getting around that one. I knew the enormity of the task that was ahead of me, and I still underestimated how long it was going to take. But it also reminded me of something that I had been told many years ago when I first started teaching.

You only must be five minutes ahead of your students. In an ideal world we have all our lessons finished at the start of the semester and we have gotten everything laid out and it is perfect, but we are only ever about five minutes ahead of our students. I would just remind myself, just like I had to learn when I was first starting out, it is ok. If you are five minutes ahead of your students, you are still five minutes ahead.

Then I would remind myself you are wearing your headset, do not swear. I am a very tall person and the leg space under my desk in my office is not big enough for my legs. When I would be doing those online lectures with my students or those web meetings, I just had to warn them at the beginning of the semester that it was going to happen. I was going to do something like bang my knee on the edge of the desk. I would forget that I was wearing my headset and I would swear, so if I did that, it was not directed at them that they should just laugh and move on. But it is going to happen. Indeed, it did happen with every one of my classes. It hurt too.

Charbonneau:

What is your biggest takeaway now that you have had this experience? What should you do to navigate further obstacles and setbacks that you might encounter in your career?

Johnson:

In one respect, I do not think that I have stopped teaching according to the pandemic. It is hard to be looking back at that and say that you know, I have gone back to normal because I still have everything set-up in my class that if we had to go online in a hurry again like we did in 2020, that I could do it.

My students would not be confused about where to turn things in or confused about where to find any information. The only thing that I would have to do is to put the lecture videos back in. That is it. Everything else I am still doing in that way that I set-up in fall of 2020 after I had had all of these, the benefit of all these programs.

There is still just part of me since the pandemic is still ongoing, since we are seeing an upswing of cases in my area, there is part of me that is not convinced that we are going to have a completely normal fall semester. If that is the case, I need to be ready to be able to make that change. That is one thing that I have made sure to reassure all my students in these last few semesters is that everything is designed and that the only change that I would have to make is to plug the lecture videos back in. They already know where to find that information.

That was one of the biggest things that I was worried about in spring of 2020 when all this is going on. My students were used to handing things in on paper, and there was confusion about: “Where would I find this information? How am I going to access this quiz? What is the deadline for this?” With those weekly meetings I was doing for them I would share my screen for the Canvas page. I would talk them through: “OK to find this week's quiz, we are going to go over here to the menu on the left and down to quizzes. You are going to click that,” and I would just go through the entire process all the time, week after week after week. To make sure that they always knew where to find this information.

Now I guess I can say it has changed how I go about the first day of classes. Before the pandemic, you would spend the first day of classes just going over the syllabus and the course expectations. I still do that on the first day, but now I am teaching them how to navigate Canvas: “And this is where you are going to find your quizzes, and this is where you are going to find this assignment, and here is the calendar so you can see where everything is due.” So that way if we had to go online in a hurry again. It would not be as big of an uphill battle.

I am not entirely convinced that it might not happen again at some point, and all those recorded lectures that I made, I made sure when I was making them to make them out of equality as best I could that I could use them again, and I have. When we were able to return to going to conferences, I took a week to go to one conference and I just put those videos back in. That way I did not have to cancel the class. Because I had scheduled that in from the very beginning of the semester, I could get away with doing it.

I will say I remember as far telling my students that it would all be ok, I remember it was spring 2021 that first day of classes, because this was my environmental geology class and I only teach that in the spring. I had sent out all these messages that our first-class meeting was going to be a web meeting. I still had a full third of the class show up to the classroom. It was just by luck that I was on campus because I had a face-to-face lab in the afternoon.

I was rushing around and trying to be able to set up a web camera in the classroom where I would normally be having this class because I had a third of the class there. I wanted to make sure that they got all this first day information. There was not enough time to send them home. Only some of them had a phone or a computer with them so that they could follow along with that. I was doing that whole first lecture/web meeting, sitting at the computer in the classroom and talking to that so the people who were online could see me, but the students said it showed up were off to the right and I would occasionally just refer to them. We got through it. Then I reminded them of the importance of checking those announcements.

I just remember looking at them saying, you know, do not worry. If I can get through a mass shooting, then you can get through this. All my students just went (face drop). Because I do not know if they just think that I am chained in the basement all the time, that I do not have a life outside of school because you think about it when you run into one of your teachers in the grocery store and you are just like: “Oh my God, you have a life?”

They never thought of me as, you know, having a life outside of that university that you know I had gone through some shit in my time, and I have. We did have a mass shooting at my graduate school when I was at Northern Illinois University, and it was in my department. I gave them the bare bones about that. I am like if I can get through that, we all can get through this. There were a few people that told me later that they were shocked that I said that. But it made them feel more confident and comfortable.

Some of the greatest lessons that I think the faculty and the students had out of all of this is to remind ourselves to be a little more human. That it is not about being on a stage and going: “You will do this!” all the time. That sometimes it is more important just to step back and remember that we are all human.

Charbonneau:

Do you want to add anything else or are you content with ending it there?

Johnson:

I am content to leave it there. The only thing that I can think about saying is just I am always going to regret those holes in the gradebook from the spring of 2020. There were several students in all my classes, all our classes are across the campus, that they were in our classes, and they were doing well, or at least well enough, and then March 11th came. That was the last time I ever got to see them.

For some of them they either did not have the resources at home, or they had to start working more hours because they were in essential professions, or they just gave up, but for a lot of them the last days that I ever got to see them were March 11th for my disastrous class and March 12th for my 109 and 150 classes, because that was the last day, I got to see them face-to-face.

Even with all the changes we were trying to make to give them the pass-fail option, the late withdrawal, and so on. There were many of them that just never contacted back. It is like they were swallowed up into a big hole on those dates and I never got to see them again. Those are things that I will always regret because those are students that I could have reached otherwise.